Player contribution changes

Today's editorial announces changes for next season. These changes will affect U20 finals. Do you think we should create some players who will train their sideskills a bit? If yes, what kinds of players should it be?

Of course we should not act too much based on an (as usual) vaguely written editorial. But near the end of the season we'll learn more and then we'd still have 8 trainings till round II and 12 till round III - until then we need to know our possibilities, ask owners which of them will be able to change training, choose players who may start training side skill - so that at the season break we just need to decide the plan and it'll start working right then :)

Hehe, I just came here to open a thread and discuss the situation:).

We should try suggesting ideas and see what can we do to be ahead of other countries with regard to these changes.

The first things that come to my mind are: we have a def with solid winger, maybe he should move to winger training... We should find a winger with passable-solid pm and give him pm training. An off cd would be good too, but we don't have too many options for that positions.

For inners, it seems even more important to me to maximize the inners...

Anyway, I just woke up, I need to digest it these days. But please start discussing and sharing opinions, we need to get ready for it.

For me the most appealing thing is to create a wingback. I.e. a player with defending slightly lower than rest of defenders (although better than SP taker) but wing trained for some time (and with good starting level of it). I think Jan Matz is currently the best choice for such player - solid wing, really nice main skill, some other skills (inadequate playmaking and scoring, weak passing and SP). He's got an excellent coach and no other players for U20 are in that team. We have to find out what does his owner think about training wing for some time, but as he reads this forum I guess we'll find out soon :) Michał Konowalik could be a backup candidate - he's got slightly lower main skill, worse subskills and plays abroad, so it may be harder to change his training.

Another interesting thing is training a winger in playmaking. I think Sobiesław Pałosz is a nice candidate for this role - quick world class winger with solid both in passing and playmaking. But the question is: do we want to do this? Of course importance of playmaking of wingers will be higher, but on the other hand their wing skill will also contribute more.

I wouldn't yet change training plans for 17yo players.

But I'd change the training of 19yo's, especially those who are not in absolute top of their positions. We still need few playes with the strongest possible main skill, but also some players strenghtened in secondary skill (playmaking for wingers, defenders and TDF; crossing for WB and forwards). We need more diversity in the squad.

BTW. When to train passing? ;) The training planning problem becomes more and more complex with this change :)

doman napisał:

When to train passing? ;)

For which players? :)

For forwards and inners: nothing changes, so if we didn't train passing for them at U20 levels so far, we shouldn't start it now :)

For wingers: both winger and playmaking training became more useful, so passing training became even more useless than it was :) So we shouldn't train wingers in passing.

For defenders: 5-men backline will be less effective than now, but level of CA in it was good enough even with low passing. 3-men 1/1/1 backline will become more effective and 4-men 1/2/1 will be as it was. The question is: do we need a defender trained a little in passing to get better CA rating at cost of some defence? This needs some testing - will single CD get boosted so much that if the high passing guy plays there we'd be able to play 3xx CA formation (both due to defence level and tactics level)?

For TDFs it's rather a question "when not to train passing?" - should we give some playmaking to them?

doman napisał:

But I'd change the training of 19yo's, especially those who are not in absolute top of their positions. We still need few playes with the strongest possible main skill, but also some players strenghtened in secondary skill (playmaking for wingers, defenders and TDF; crossing for WB and forwards)

Rather for those, who already have those sideskills at good level. I see no reason to train a defender with inadequate wing to solid level. What we should think about is if we want some players with formidable-outstanding sideskill (and at which positions). We should look through players we have and choose those, who already are solid in the sideskill we want to train, like winger and wingback I wrote about, or Krzysztof Bartosiński (248072633) - a magnificent forward with solid wing and inadequate passing - if we decide to train a forward in wing, he's a good candidate.

jacek_BTL napisał:

doman napisał:

When to train passing? ;)

For which players? :)

For forwards and inners: nothing changes, so if we didn't train passing for them at U20 levels so far, we shouldn't start it now :)

For wingers: both winger and playmaking training became more useful, so passing training became even more useless than it was :) So we shouldn't train wingers in passing.

For forwards passing training is more useless too because of better winger contribution to side attack.

And I think that interesting question is how to train inners in winger skill because in new ME we must play 3xIM + 1xWG-m instead of 4xIM. It's possible that WG-tm still should train only PM.

jacek_BTL napisał:

doman napisał:

When to train passing? ;)

For which players? :)

For any ;) With raisinig importance of playmaking and crossing as side skills it turns out that we basically don't have time to train passing. On contrary, without additional passing we won't have considerable levels of passing-dependent tactics.

For TDFs it's rather a question "when not to train passing?" - should we give some playmaking to them?

Definitely.

jacek_BTL napisał:

doman napisał:

But I'd change the training of 19yo's, especially those who are not in absolute top of their positions. We still need few playes with the strongest possible main skill, but also some players strenghtened in secondary skill (playmaking for wingers, defenders and TDF; crossing for WB and forwards)

Rather for those, who already have those sideskills at good level. I see no reason to train a defender with inadequate wing to solid level. What we should think about is if we want some players with formidable-outstanding sideskill (and at which positions). We should look through players we have and choose those, who already are solid in the sideskill we want to train, like winger and wingback I wrote about, or Krzysztof Bartosiński (248072633) - a magnificent forward with solid wing and inadequate passing - if we decide to train a forward in wing, he's a good candidate.

If there are players with better scoring than Bartosiński, I agree that he should be trained in wing for some weeks.

Yes, I was thinking about Matz too, I will also talk to the owner. I want though to first have him at magnificent defending(maybe even a little bit more) and then we can start giving him some winger(especially since the winger contributions will all increase).

Palosz is really a great idea for winger with pm, but he is quite low in winger, and I feeel I prefer to have him as titanic-et winger at the world cup, rather than sn winger+formid pm. Though I again have to think a little bit more about it.

Actually the forwards generation is not that great, and I think Bartosiński must continue with scoring as he is very likely to be one of the main forwards in the squad(especially since the 3rd forward will be tweaked, we cannot affor to lose main skill here).

What about:
Kornel Roesler (248674551)
Marian Zegarek (248038642)

for playmaking training?

Also:

Wojciech Wojdecki (253383689) looks great for pm...

So, to sum up, as basically everyone here agreed, we should keep the normal training for the best players, while thinking about some secondary training for those who otherwise have only slight chances of making it to the U20 team.

I don't think they should be those with very slight chances - turning standard not that great players into non-standard but still not great either won't help a lot :) I think a first rule should be that if we want to train a player in a subskill, he should be solid in it for start. So we should look at ones that are not absolute top, but also not a lot behind and have a really good subskill.

How do those 3 wingers look?

That is what I meant too:). The examples that I had were of: winger:magnif+excellent pm, and defenders brill with pass-solid pm...

For the head, magnif winger+excellent pm the owner replied and said he would be willing to train pm if his player will join the U20 team.

What do you guys things about such a player...?