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However, look what happened at Romania at the last world cup. We had a good captain, and with 3-4 general trainings he was still in poor form throughout the world cup and we couldn't use it. It is very possible that one single player has problems(form, injuries) so it is always good to have back up solutions.

But if You call and increase exp of 19yo inner, instead of 17yo future captain it's is the same situation, it's possible he will have problem and benefit of his exp will be wasted ;-)

Do you know how many games the current 19yo captain played in the last u20 qualifications?

I didn't check this but I think he played no match. But in last qualification we had bad start and very hard situation. But in the past 17yo captain played at least 4-6 matches (I think previous NT coaches knew exactly number).

17yo captain didn't play only in difficult matches.

With experienced captain chance of winning at least one of both WC (current or next) is greater therefor for me it's better decision to increase exp of 17yo captain instead of 19yo common player ;-)

Of course it's Your campaign and I accept Your decision, but I always want to try to gain maximum benefits in match ;-)

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Ed: terrible quoting, simple [q] doesn't work ;-)

Also, making a good captain is not enough for having a successful world cup. Actually, in the last many world cups, all the teams that won it all didn't have such a system of creating a captain. It is actually the idea of trying to make a lot of things better that gives better results, as during a long tournament there will always be set backs, and if there are no second plans we are in trouble.

However, as I said already a couple of times, I think the system is good and we should prepare a strong captain. However, if we think too much at the future, the present just goes by us and we'll never achieve our goals. Moreover, just as in many other countries and in ours for this generation, one can have a great captain without him playing for U20 as a 17yo. I think we discussed too much about it.

I told you I completely agree with the plan of creating a super captain, but we first have to take care of the current generation, which is not the best one, which unfortunately has many problems(more than an average one) but which can be successful.

Trust me, this is my goal too. This is also what I wanted to do in Romania and I achieved it(to keep the team at a constant high level, so that we have good chances at all world cups).

I don't want to just do my best and have a good world cup now, and not worry about the future. It is very important that Poland always competes at the highest level, this is the only chance to win more medals.

Also, I do try to make the best of each game, that is why even in the first two games I managed to make room for the current captain. However, we shouldn't forget that we are not playing elimination games, we play a season long competition so we have to plan it adequately.

But if You call and increase exp of 19yo inner, instead of 17yo future captain it's is the same situation, it's possible he will have problem and benefit of his exp will be wasted ;-)

You are just trying to make a point, but you know you are wrong now. Having one captain in each generation is riskier than having 2-3 of them(which can be created by forcing them during the qualification). It can also happen that all 3 of them lose form before the important matches, but it is less likely to actually not be able to field any of them;).

Having one captain in each generation is riskier than having 2-3 of them

But it's not against my opinion. I agree with You, 2-3 experienced captains are better than one. However, lineup of today's match with 2-3 17yo players is too risky :( therefore only one 17yo player must be enough ;-)

:)), I know you can be very insistent if you want:P.

Let's get back to the match, I have decided to not make any further squad addition, since the situation in the group is far from being clear.

I am debating between a 343 with cdtw,cdo(captain),wbd(sp),3inners,wo and 3 forwards, or a 352 with the same defense but wtm instead of efw and imo instead of im. We also should try to somehow increase experience to 451, as we have seen this tactic to be quite useful:D.

berthli napisał:

Having one captain in each generation is riskier than having 2-3 of them

But it's not against my opinion. I agree with You, 2-3 experienced captains are better than one. However, lineup of today's match with 2-3 17yo players is too risky :( therefore only one 17yo player must be enough ;-)

Also, it seems to me that you're almost suggesting that I should forget about the current 19yo generation and make the 17yo stronger :(.

We do have a lot of problems with this current generation, but somehow people care more about the distant future than this world cup:(. As I said, we have a serious problem with the midfield line and there are actually other issues that we have to take care of. It's not like this wc generation has been perfectly prepared, and now I'm trying to make it even more perfect.

I first need to make sure we get to the world cup, then to think about the priorities we have for the world cup generation as I want to have a good world cup.

mastercyb napisał:

Also, it seems to me that you're almost suggesting that I should forget about the current 19yo generation and make the 17yo stronger :(.

No, You don't understand me, for me every campaign is equally important.

But experience of captain is more important than exp of others players. It means that:

- exp of 17yo captain has higher priority than exp of 17yo ordinary player
- exp of 19yo captain has higher priority than exp of 19yo ordinary player
- exp of 19yo captain has higher priority than exp of 17yo ordinary player
- exp of 17yo captain has higher priority than exp of 19yo ordinary player
- however exp of 17yo ordinary player hasn't higher priority than exp of 19yo ordinary player (and 19yo captain of course).

If You wanted to set lineup with 17yo ordinary player instead of 19yo ordinary player (especially instead of 19yo captain) I would be against Your decision.

We do have a lot of problems with this current generation

Every generation has problems. And increasing exp of 17yo player of next generation always means that 19yo of current generation will have less exp.

But it's calculated risk.

If common player is less experienced then chance to win match will be 1% lower. However if captain is more experienced then chance to win match will be 5% higher.

I think we agree, I'm sure we'll see the 17yo play this season. We just need a little bit more security as far as qualification is concerned.

Is there a thread though where the captain is being discussed?

I think, currently the best topic about captain of WC XV generation started here:

http://www.htpr.fora.pl/scouting,11/kapitan,418.html#20109

However we discuss sometimes about captain in other threads (e.g. when scout of inners found interesting player with solid LS and pasted his skills in thread of inners, then we debated about him in that thread).

Victory! :)

Wysłany: Pią 23:13, 12 Mar 2010

Can we have an update file with Ecuador?

Thanks!

Wysłany: Sob 19:52, 13 Mar 2010

And now we have a good game to call the 17yo captain and let him play :) I see some other 19 yos are called as well, it's bad that Saudi Arabia looks quite strong currently, otherwise we'd be able to switch to them completely, bu it looks that we'd be able to do this two weeks from now :)